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I know. Its just like Miyagi San in Karate kid 1 said: Wax on, wax off.
Potter and Masahiko Kimura not only make the trees look nice, but it's hard to believe how these trees survive such procedures.
But what I meant is I will transplant trees that have potential, and work on them when Im ready. So just give me 20 years...

Winter wrote: Potter and Masahiko Kimura not only make the trees look nice, but it's hard to believe how these trees survive such procedures.

Seriously... :blink:

I touch a juniper, The juniper dies. Everyone talks about how hardy they are and forgiving.
I have yet to have a juniper that has not lost major foliage after two months. post styling. And Potter will wire everything, chop and manipulate and carve. :huh: :dry: Although it looks like his usually have been in extra large pots and fully established for 2 plus years, first.

parker wrote:

Winter wrote: Potter and Masahiko Kimura not only make the trees look nice, but it's hard to believe how these trees survive such procedures.

Seriously... :blink:

I touch a juniper, The juniper dies. Everyone talks about how hardy they are and forgiving.
I have yet to have a juniper that has not lost major foliage after two months. post styling. And Potter will wire everything, chop and manipulate and carve. :huh: :dry: Although it looks like his usually have been in extra large pots and fully established for 2 plus years, first.

Exactly. That's the part they don't show. The tree growing for 2 years. They make this videos with very healthy trees

The videos would get a bit too long if they showed 2 years of growing
He does always say ''I collected this blah blah it's been growing unrestrained for n years''

Potter emphasized often that he works on trees only after 2 years of free growth.
The strength of a pine comes from the roots. So if you prune the branches you will have a second shot as the energy is stored in the roots. The strength in a juniper comes from the foliage - not the roots. So if you cut too much foliage you kill the energy source and the tree starves and dies. So I would suggest stiling only 20% of branches in junipers.
I feel very smart writing this

Winter wrote: I would suggest stiling only 20% of branches in junipers.
I feel very smart writing this

If you meant 'styling' then you shouldn't. Maybe you meant pruning.

parker wrote: :huh: :dry: Although it looks like his usually have been in extra large pots and fully established for 2 plus years, first.

Thinking about it that way makes so much more sense. Not only is the tree as healthy as it may ever be, but [Potter] also has 2-5 years to contemplate how to style the tree. No wonder they look so good and survive. :woohoo: but that means that I can not style another conifer in a pot for at least 2 years :huh:
what to do in the meantime? :silly:

parker wrote:

parker wrote: :huh: :dry: Although it looks like his usually have been in extra large pots and fully established for 2 plus years, first.

what to do in the meantime? :silly:

wait, and of course, keep it alive. guess you could twiddle your thumbs.

This is why you need to have 30 trees, so you will always have to take care of some. If you have too much time train a Chinese elm - it shoots constantly.

Winter wrote: But what I meant is I will transplant trees that have potential

The question then begs.. When does a tree have potential. Just being a plant? Or do you want the plant to have more than that?

parker wrote: I have yet to have a juniper that has not lost major foliage after two months. post styling.

It means you do not know how t wired properly and you handle the foliage too much and/or manipulate the fooliage too much. Wire. Place. Leave alone.

parker wrote: Not only is the tree as healthy as it may ever be, but [Potter] also has 2-5 years to contemplate how to style the tree. No wonder they look so good and survive. :woohoo: but that means that I can not style another conifer in a pot for at least 2 years :huh:
what to do in the meantime? :silly:

Nah, these guys typically know within minutes how to tackle a tree. I have worked with some of the best in Europe, and they sketch out the tree in less time then it takes to drink a beer. It is experience & talent showing. Not waiting time.
The answer is simple. You need to get plants that are established in a pot. Especially if you are beginning you should NOT start with repotting, but with learning how to care for a plant. So get one that is already in the right substrate. It will make the learning a lot easier.